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An unworthy Deacon, named for the brother of God: James, striving to "work out his salvation with fear and trembling" within the Tradition (paradosis) of the Eastern Orthodox Faith. It is a strange and marvelous journey, and I am accompanied by the fourfold fruit of my fecundity. My wife, the Matushka or Diaconissa Sophia, is my beloved partner in the pursuit of Theosis, and she ranks me in every way.
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Monday, August 04, 2008

Segregation in Church?

I worry that if Obama loses in November that we will have to endure an ongoing and sickening litany of "America wasn't ready for a black president" nonsense. We'll get it also from leftist elites in Europe, where ironically, there is no foreseeable African heads of state that I know of. Personally I don't buy it. Whoever loses will lose for a host of reasons, but skin color I believe is FAR down the list.

Anyway, CNN is running a host of "Race in America" articles and commentaries that I largely ignore. But one was entitled: "Why many Americans prefer their Sundays segregated" and so it caught my attention.

Look, I really don't think there is a huge race problem in America. I can answer the articles question in ONE simple and short sentence: Because people of different races have different preferences.

Need more explanation? Look to the whole reasoning behind the existence of "billions and billions" of denominations, are not many of them due to things like worship style preferences? Preaching style preferences? The lack of Black Liberation theology? (sorry...couldn't resist). But my point remains: different races tend to have different preferences and in the spirit of rainbow diversity let's let them have it.

I don't like Rap music at all (maybe because I'm a slavic-hillbilly?) And let's face it, rap and hip-hop music is massively segregated, is it not? Is the Rap music industry made up of segregationists? Racists? I have a Chinese coworker who attends an all-chinese evangelical church where I would feel terribly out of place as the lone slavic-hillbilly who doesn't understand but about 3 Chinese words. Are they segregationists? Racists? No, not at all.

Just like men and woman, races are different too. And JUST like our culture today would largely wish to believe that there ISN'T any difference between men and women, I think strive to see racism and segregationism where really we are just seeing people making preferential decisions of where they want to be in their free time and surprise, surprise, surprise...shazam: they choose to be where they are comfortable and in a place that...you guessed it..."works for them."

So, in a world where we often choose our churches like we would choose our restaurants, why should we be surprised not to find many white folks who'd prefer a high church Anglican liturgy at Obama's until recently attended fiery black liberation church? Or vice versa?

This seems far more plausible than what the media would like us to imagine: a white evangelical couple watching a black family arriving into their mega-church and saying to one another: "Oh dear, there are Negroes here...time to find a new church."

Puhlease. The article says this: "church should transcend race."

Well...hahahah...it's not going to do that until it first transcends personal preferences and whims. Good luck. I dunno, you could look around, maybe you'd find a Church or two that has a rich history of multi-cultural expression without losing any of its core values, practices, or traditions. And that might perhaps not suffer at the whims and preferences of the grasses being blown in the pop cultural tempests. Maybe. Na, probably not.



...offered by Dn. James Ferrenberg, a sinner at 12:14 PM [+]
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4 Comments:

The American protestant churches have split into a zillion different sects, not because of a need for "diversity", but because of pride. Regarding segregation, I have seen towns where there are two churches of the exact same denomination across the street from each other, with the same worship style, but one is for 'blacks' and the other is for 'whites'. It's definitely a problem. When some Bulgarians tried to form their own ethnic jurisdiction in Constantinople in the 19th century, the Church rightly condemned this as 'phyletism'. Unfortunately, phyletism is very much embodied among the Orthodox diaspora in the US and elsewhere. Physical differences among different peoples are given by God, but the decision to divide the Church according to an abstraction like 'race' is purely man-made.

By Anonymous Ryan, at 2:52 PM  

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" ....you could look around, maybe you'd find a Church or two that has a rich history of multi-cultural expression without losing any of its core values, practices, or traditions."

Yes, i wonder where a person could find such a Church... A Church that remembers and celebrates It's Black Saints, Asian Saints, Native Saints, White Saints, Women Saints, Children Saints, Poor Saints, Rich Saints, Clergy Saints, Lay-people Saints....? :)


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By Blogger layne (herman), at 3:03 PM  

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I'd like to see what you describe Ryan...churches that are identical save the skin of those who attend. I doubt it exists. Rather I expect you will see different flavors, different emphasis, different _________.

"the decision to divide the Church according to an abstraction like 'race' is purely man-made."

I'm not sure this is true. Even in the earliest time there was a church in Rome, a church in Ephesus, a church in Antioch etc etc. Each with its own episcopos...and they sometimes got in spats with one another. Sounds like Orthodoxy. God designed...I dunno? To what extent does the Holy Spirit guide the Church?

Plus, I'd say...to the shock of some, the Orthodox Church is NOT divided by race. It may be organized along ethnic lines and the jurisdictional problem in America is real...but the Church isn't divided per se. I've communed with the African Orthodox and could totally be at home in their churches....why? Because the ethnic differences are left at the door when the Litrugy begins...despite what the most devout Greekophile or Russophile or Arabphile may think. Yes, there are some differences in the services...but so much unites the communities. Probably more than the early communities in Rome and Jerusalem, for instance.

If God saw fit to create races and cultures I've no qualms - in fact quite the opposite - if the faith of the Apostles would baptize those ethnicities along with their cultures. So different flavors of ice cream.

Protestantism? I don't like ice cream, I want steak and potatoes. Well I want popcorn and a movie. I want....

It's not pride...it's tickling ears if you ask me. And different races sometimes prefer different sorts of tickling.

By Blogger JamesoftheNorthwest, at 7:24 PM  

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I should clarify:

"the decision to divide the Church according to an abstraction like 'race' is purely man-made."

I'm not sure this is true.


I do not mean to suggest that God wants Arabs in one church, Greeks in another, and Russians in another still etc etc.

Rather such ethnic "divisions" arise from geography quite naturally. And the structure of the Church is something that fit into that.

America is a decidedly unique experience and the OC has made a mess of it. They need to fix it.

In a way though, I am trying to defend against the insinuation that protestants are racially segregated because of racism or attitudes of racial segregation. I suppose it may exist in some places, but widely? No way. And even if it did...what are we going to do about it? Have the federal government integrate the churches?

That would be kinda fun actually! A conservative catholic priest giving a homily on Augustinian original sin at a Church of God in Christ, Holy Spirit Baptized Church in Harlem? Or maybe have Reverend Wright explain how the government invented the AIDS virus to kill black people at a suburban Mega Church in Texas?

C'mon folks...this is just much ado about nuthin.

By Blogger JamesoftheNorthwest, at 9:21 PM  

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