What’s wrong with a little heresy?

To answer a common email question I've gotten: No, I don't expect to receive anymore requests for book reviews after this.

I get the impression from many PMEers and from Spencer Burke in his book "A Heretics Guide to Eternity" that theology (true or false – terms they’d never ever use) isn’t all that important. And while they would perhaps candy coat that with notations of the expression of theology being the real issue, it would appear to me from what is written in the book that we are seeing a call for not just a "remodel" on an existing home, but a new home altogether. Mr.Burke writes that theological truth was argued about primarily because the medieval church needed to maintain its power and authority over usurpers and underlings.

But such a predilection toward conspiracy is really out of place once it leaves Hollywood, don't you think? It's terribly common today to see such conspiracies leveled at institutions; if only those espousers of such things could discern the conspiracies in their own hearts perhaps they would not trust it to so easily recognize it in the medieval church or Walmart or Halliburton or who or whatever? It's really no different than the many protestants who so readily claim that a man they have never met, never heard speak, never read a word they wrote, and who died over 1600 years ago was never really never a Christian, but instead pretended to be one in order to win power – St. Constantine the Great. What astonishing abilities to judge the motives of others some of us believe we have!

In a chapter entitled "The First Heretic", Mr. Burke identifies the "the first person in the history of Christianity to be executed as a heretic" Priscillian of Avila, whose, Burke says, only mistake was to insist upon extreme asceticism, including the renunciation of marriage. He then ignores this point and goes on to talk about how the authority of the Church was threatened by him. Ahem...ummm...now I could be wrong, but I am guessing that the PMEers of the world would be the very first to condemn this man if he were booked as a speaker at the next Soularize conference and in his presentation he was to insist that they all stop eating anything but beans, fast strictly on Sundays, never sleep on anything but the floor, never own anything at all including Soularize T-Shirts, and leave their wives and families to live a life as celebate brothers and sisters. I mean sure, they wouldn't kill the guy, but if they didn't use the word heretic, what would they call him? Crazy? A Fundamentalist maybe? One thing left out of the story of Priscillian is the fact that his chief opponents, who objected to his rise to the episcopacy, were also the staunchest critics of the emperor’s decision to have him executed.

Mr. Burke says in essence that people today are much more interested in what you do rather than what you believe. Fair enough, but the example of Priscillian makes my point,which is: What you believe usually will spill over into what you do...and furthermore that will spill over into what you teach others to do. Another fantastic example is the gnostic heresy which generally affirmed that all material-fleshy things were evil, consequently they denied the doctrine of the Jesus' incarnation. AND consequently the gnostics suffered from all manner of "wackiness." If the body is evil, some gnostics argued, then it didn't matter what you did with it and so orgies and other depravities abounded. On the opposite end of the spectrum were the gnostics who advocated an extreme and abusive asceticism. In a very real way, what you believe affects what you do and no matter how seemingly harmless a heretical doctrine may seem, once you affirm it is okay to hold unorthodox beliefs, how will you know when you've gone too far? How will you know?

One last very important point and I suspect I will be done "reviewing" the book - as I said in the beginning, the foundational issue must be addressed and I am MORE than willing to discuss the matter. In the introduction, Brian McLaren admonishes us numerous times not to be judgemental toward Mr. Burke's book:

"It's easy for inquisition-launchers to go on fault-finding missions; they have lots of practice and they’re really good at it...perhaps even those who have become legally inebriated on the hops and malt of fault finding, those who are inquisition-aholics but think they can quit anytime..."

We are asked NOT to go on a "fault-finding mission" but a "truth-finding mission." Okay, but what if that results in finding fault?

I hope I am not going to be lumped into that crowd of "inquisition-launchers", but I suppose I will since I am willing to be critical of what Mr. Burke has written. But consider that these men (McClaren and Burke) have virtually made a career of finding fault with both modern and traditional Christianity, so I suspect such an accusation of "fault-finding inquisition-aholics" is a blade that cuts both ways. So, don't expect that people whose religious faith you have found and published fault with, will not return the favor. I don't say that to be mean...but rather as constructive criticism, the introduction came off too much as a "don't touch God's annointed" sorta thing. Better to invite fault finding, as long as it is done honestly.

That being said...I am always open to dialogue on this issue, just expect to be steered toward the foundational issue first. Authority.

Comments

Susan Sophia said…
On my browser all your quotation marks and apostrophes are question marks. It's weird.
layne (herman) said…
"Mr.Burke writes that theological truth was argued about primarily because the medieval church needed to maintain its power and authority over usurpers and underlings."

This statement made me think back to when our Priest shared about the Council of Nicea (i think it was); how if one looked around the room one would see men who had suffered because of their standing for the Truth of the Faith...

Quite a different image to that of someone trying to maintain power and authority over others.
fdj said…
Susan...yeah this post was originally written in MS Word and in the cut and paste process blogger prefers questions marks to quotation marks etc.

Never figured out why.

PH...also after Nicea the Arians somehow were the ones who retained political power.
Anonymous said…
I don't think you are going to get any traction discussing authority with the PME set, since they seem to be a group that has elevated doubt to the status of a holy virtue. When the Holy Scriptures become a "text" that can be "deconstructed" then they've unmoored themselves from the last bit of authority that remains in the Protestant world and consequently drift into all sort of nonsense.
I was at least hoping some PME'ers would be responding to these posts. What happened to the "conversation"?!
spencer said…
James,

I would send you my next book to review (if I'm ever asked to write again). I am honored that you took the time to read the book for yourself and then posted your insights. The objective in sending out a few books to a variety of bloggers was to get a wider review base and learn from those reviewing the book.

I have appreciated your thoughts and I can see from your perspective how many of the points will create tension.

I hope we might be able to continue the dialogue on and off line with the book and other sources in the future.

In you last post it looked as if you were going to develop the theme of universalism, free will, etc. I would be very interested in your opinions on these subjects. I think the big picture of the book opens up this conversation and I think it will take all of us (the church) to think this one over. From an Orthodox point of view how might you engage some of the points in the book like - Grace, "opt-in or opt-out", etc. This is where we might find the common ground for exchange - maybe not agreement but awareness...

Thanks again for taking the time with the book.
fdj said…
I would send you my next book to review (if I'm ever asked to write again)

Well that's most gracious of you, please also let them know I am happy to offer my writing skills such as they are and then you fault-find me...for now here must suffice.
:)

Grace, "opt-in or opt-out"

Well, here's the thing, in the west we are heavily influenced with a legal understanding of grace and sin - certainly St. Paul used such terms to image the notion of grace and sin, but the Orthodox generally negate the idea that we ought to conceive of our salvation as been LITERALLY a legal issue.

Hell, in the Orthodox tradition, is not being banished from the presence of God, but rather being in the presence of God and because of who we have become - hating it. I liken it to having a bright light turned on in the darkest recesses of your heart...for many of us it would be a most unpleasant experience. So God's Love is always there, to some however it is a torturous thing.

Freewill means we heal ourselves, by God's grace (the Greek root of which has ties to medicinal oil), so that we are able to accept God's love...we change our nature - who we are, in a way we leanr how to open ourselves to His love NOW.

The Orthdoox see this as a process - ongoing perhaps even after death - and often describe it in three distinct yet not neccesarily seperate stages: Illumination, Purification, and Theosis or Deification.

Do we opt-in or opt-out...well I'm not sure the question fits our context. In a way we have and are opted out and in a way we learning to opt in. In the East, Grace is much more than a legal term...in a real way it is God Himself. (I admit, this stretches my simplistic mind: God's energies and such, so suffice to say it isn't a state of having out guilt paid for.)

For us Orthodox, we have had, set in our hands, two thousands years of experience on how to heal ourselves. Part of that is diagnosis (theology if you will) and the rest is praxis, or how to engage in the Community through which we will seek Illumination, Purification, and Theosis.

Recall the community is much more than the here and now.

For the Orthodox we would never claim to know where God's Grace isn't...but we would claim to know where it is. And here comes the foundation again.

If you do come to a conclusion on Opt-in or opt-out grace, on what will you base that conclusion? How are you deciding?

For us we believe Holy Tradition as delivered to us is a healing path by which we may learn how to go on opting in and how to avoid opting out. God's love never changes...but you and I do, and it is how we exeprience that love that will determine how we end up opting. We must learn to open those darkest recesses now...and a word of warning : the fathers and mothers of the Church have consistantly now for two thousands years warned against trusting ourselves on such a matter, the heart is a deceitful thing. And this is why a Community is so important. Extremes abound when we do not submit ourselves to a community and it's collective wisdom. (again, the Community of yesterday, today, and tomorrow...we call it the Church - you will see it as the Institution of the Eastern Orthdoox).

I've rambled much...sorry. I should also add that I am but one stupid man and I am subject to the aforementioned community. I do not represent it in ANY official capacity, and may very well have no idea what I am talking about.

(hmmm...how's that for a disclaimer?)
spencer said…
James,

We might not be that far apart in some ways.

"by which we may learn how to go on opting in and how to avoid opting out. God's love never changes...but you and I do, and it is how we experience that love that will determine how we end up opting"

That is beautiful and I find it very attractive (friends like Sean Diamond and Frederica have this same sense about them).

If we agree on many of the "mystical" whats - it seems that most of our distance comes from the "practical" hows. My desire is to find ways to merge both in the world I find myself (and my community) in.

It is here where I hope the conversation can continue. In some ways I think some of what the book tries to do is open the east west dialogue and move beyond the "legal understanding of grace and sin" even if it is very clumsy in its attempt.

Do you know of others in your tradition that have looked at this connection and had any developing dialogue with those outside of your tradition?
Addai said…
Hey James of the Northwest! I would highly, highly recommend your read an old "Joly Blogger" post from two years ago.


http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/2004/05/the_enemies_of__1.html.


In that post Jolly really puts his finger on a "false dichotomy" that is made between "head" vs. "heart", which also is equated to "facts" vs. "The heart" in terms of doctrine. Anyway here's a highlight but I recommend you read the whole little essay/post at Jolly's. I think it points out the problems with this line of thinking....


"This is an issue we need to tackle head on and resolve? When Grenz says "a 'right heart' takes primacy over a 'right head," he is first of all setting up a false dichotomy. I won't major on it for now, but from my itty bitty understanding of Greek, the Greek word for "heart" has "intellect" at the forefront of its meaning. "Intellect" doesn't capture the totality of it, but in the Greek lexicons I looked at, it does take the place of primacy. We moderns are the ones who dichotomize between heart and head, not the Biblical writers.

Secondly, I believe that Grenz, like so many evangelicals, is trying to parallel heart and head with fact and attitude with his comment "I would rather have wrong facts and a right attitude than the right facts and the wrong attitude." I feel quite certain that he is equating the heart with the attitude and the head with the facts. As Horton pointed out in the quote, this is the absolute antithesis of Paul's attitude in Philippians 1:18.
He did not condemn those who preached the facts correctly, while doing so with wrong and sinful attitudes. This does not excuse the sin of their attitudes, but if the facts of the gospel are there, the sinful attitudes of the preachers cannot thwart the power of the gospel."
Addai said…
and I should add this too...


"Compare Paul's attitude toward the folks in Philippians 1:18 with his attitude toward the Galatians. Say what you will about the Galatians, but they had a desire to obey. I doubt that you can criticize them for any kind of lack of desire for obedience. Yet Paul rebuked them in the strongest possible terms, simply because they had gotten the facts of the gospel wrong."
Addai said…
"In a chapter entitled "The First Heretic", Mr. Burke identifies the "the first person in the history of Christianity to be executed as a heretic" Priscillian of Avila, whose, Burke says, only mistake was to insist upon extreme asceticism, including the renunciation of marriage. He then ignores this point and goes on to talk about how the authority of the Church was threatened by him. Ahem...ummm...now I could be wrong, but I am guessing that the PMEers of the world would be the very first to condemn this man if he were booked as a speaker at the next Soularize conference and in his presentation he was to insist that they all stop eating anything but beans, fast strictly on Sundays, never sleep on anything but the floor, never own anything at all including Soularize T-Shirts, and leave their wives and families to live a life as celebate brothers and sisters. I mean sure, they wouldn't kill the guy, but if they didn't use the word heretic, what would they call him? Crazy? A Fundamentalist maybe? One thing left out of the story of Priscillian is the fact that his chief opponents, who objected to his rise to the episcopacy, were also the staunchest critics of the emperor’s decision to have him executed."

Quoted for Truth! You really hit the nail on the head!

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